Did this thing back in the 90’s, at the insistence of a suitor who paid for the weekend (and who turned out to be a petulant, humorless bully). Perhaps transformation, permanent transformation is gentle and kind. However, it was the end of the second day, and I remained unmoved. Most of this truth is based in buddhist teachings. Landmark Forum cost you 18,500 if paid in full initially. These poor saps chase the high they get out of having breakthroughs and seeing through blind spots. For a reason I could not put my finger on, even while I was trying to embrace it and stop the negative “racket” and “Sea of Opinion”, I was profoundly disturbed and uncomfortable being there. For a weekend long seminar that costs $650, you would have thought that they would provide you with some small degree of physical comfort, but clearly that wasn’t part of their plan. The strategic use of repetition and suggestion was blatant; but it was when the course leader began manipulating people with condescension and humiliation tactics that the word “brainwashing” first entered my mind. Landmark’s problems are the pedagogy they use, and the manipulation to join more courses. One of my many issues with Landmark is this: They claim that ” Anything you want for yourself and your life is possible through your participation in the Landmark Forum”. As for blaming people for their own shortcomings in life… there is a GIANT difference between blame/fault and responsibility. I had a muffin or half a sandwich, and I went to the bathroom when I needed to. Didn’t I inwardly call bs on some of the crap I saw with these Forum people? I do not have to attend to see the damage it caused my friend’s mind. This is an incredible article dedicated to the very extraordinery topic. BONUS FAIL: After communicating to the course leader that I was receiving little to no value with the course on multiple occasions she finally agreed to connect with me the following day. I also did the Forum, some of the seminars, and the 2 advanced courses they had back in the late 80’s. then step right up and lose your cash the old fashioned way — you get fleeced. They had to eat after all. He says he’ll call me right back. I once told someone that I was sad and he said, “Is that your racket or your winning formula?” Landmark discourages self trust and encourages you to judge yourself if you are anything less that joyous and “at cause.” I did the hard sell on others for the last 4 years in the organization. My Father and Mother are different people than I ever thought possible, and it happened over night! He was coached practically everyday. I thought. are brushed off as just ‘brave for sharing’, meanwhile they are having mental breakdowns in the room. Break you down, build you up brand new . In addition I am also very studied in NLP, Anthropology, Linguistics, Mythology, Theology, Neurobiology, Systems Theory, and Quantum Physics. You can trust me guys, just take the blue pill, lol. It’s great that you still gave it a try. Many other plausible … I couldn’t understand why 30 hours were needed for the simple tools that were given to us. So I'[m a Landmark Lover – with the caution/caveat about the pushiness to get others to attend. I would never diminish their experience. Been to the introduction course in Hong Kong yesterday, the guy on the stage is awfully skillful and manipulative, gave a speech that was so well drafted, touching almost all people in the room from all nationalities, ages and gender – by somehow blending in Family, Love, Career, Money, Culture and while everybody is down after 2.5hours, he gets them at their lowest point and requests people to sign up, I stayed till the end out of whatever respect I had for the friend who ‘invited’ me and we are dealing with human beings after all, but honestly ? I was also angry that it didn’t happen to me. If this is Landmark Forum teachings and practices then I think declining to let my daughter go was a very good choice. Thanks for letting me vent. I’m sorry you invested all that time and didn’t “get it” like myself! I looked up Landmark, and it was pretty easy to tell from his demeanor what this was. If interested in this Landmark, do some research on their predecessor LifeSpring, which was shut down after many many lawsuits. I simply had an emotional breakdown. But I have been sufficiently moved enough by my experience to share for the 1st time. Specifically, the Forum removes that outer husk of the onion, freeing us up. If you have been around Landmark for awhile you will know that the following is true: If you do what YOU want (and not what they want), it’s because of a problem or shortcoming on YOUR part — you’re RESISTING; you’re refusing to let yourself be empowered, it’s your “racket”, and on and on and on. I dont understand why they feel they need to recruit people to sign up, what do they get out of it?! I understand about being punctual but sometimes things happen and being a few minutes late appeared to a huge deal and people were made to stand up and explain themselves and their integrity was openly questioned. And you’re not wrong if you don’t find it there. moving forward. I still do not understand why. I dated a seminar leader. It is sad how destructive some of the LGAT seminars can be for people who are just tying to live better lives. Which is good, But couldn’t stand the sales pitch,that went on for 45 mins on Sat that I thought could have been spent getting to the point. Also my little girls said they missed me and glad that i am home (my 8 years old said she missed me so much that she used her magic powers to get me back home). Each successive program I’ve participated in (Seminar, Advanced Course, and Self Expression and Leadership Program) has been a continual peeling of my personal onion such that I am even freer now that I was 11 months ago- more love, peace of … I had to ring my coach weekly and the phone call was honestly 60 seconds late. Clearly I have a lot more to say – my attempt to be brief sucked lol – and I’d be happy to share more if anyone else is interested. Neha has 5 jobs listed on their profile. For me the small stuff will always be taken account for due to the steep price tag associated with the forum, so the refinement in the leaders need to be constantly refined. I was free! They see people as “running rackets”, having an “already always listening”, not being a “possibility”. I haven’t experienced the fellow some of the people here are talking about – Larry, but I can say the leaders I’ve encountered have been phenomenal. The amount of time he actually shared or taught anything new other than berating was possibly a total of 10 hours considering it was a 39 hour course and then the last day he was so disgusted with us he cut it early like a little before 10 rather than 11:30. Personally, I found value in small doses of the Landmark “conversation” over the years, Agree with some of what others have said that it is distasteful to have to be subject to “advertising for the next installment” in the middle of your “already paid-for programming”. Regarding the fee, if you can’t afford $700 for a class then either earn it, dont take it, or get someone to spot you the $ or pay. After taking it, my awesome career disappeared that month. Not sure if all the coaching these people received was necessarily the best but who am I to say. We connected up again the other day for something else and once again, the conversation became weirdly condescending, and that I needed to take a seminar ASAP to resolve “issues”. Possible … THE BOOK OF EST by Luke Rhinehart was endorsed as accurate by Werner Erhard. But because of that journey, my perspective on life and just overall outlook has completely changed. Thought most it was total crap throughout, and was quite verbal about my feelings to those around me. thanks growthguided for sharing your point of views. The forum is designed for everyone because it pertains to humanity in general and understanding the psychology of our emotions and memories. Whatever approach someone takes is perfect for them. Breaking someone emotionally is their modus operandi. No one should have been expelled from the Forum for refusing to agree to something which was presented solely as a “recommendation”. its just our interpretations. What 30 + years didn’t teach me, I learned in 3 days. He sounded brainwashed and couldn’t talk about anything else. The Landmark Forum is the first big step in “peeling” our personal onions. Thank you very much for creating this website and posting on your experience! Priceless. After reading all of the posts, I have decided to dedicate 42 hours to accomplishing tasks that I have been procrastinating on and to set aside the $625 I would have spent on the course to doing something special for myself. I wouldn’t date do that seminar based on him. “Confident walking is more successful than Confused running. Unfortunately, after reading all these comments, it seems right down the middle and I am left with no idea what to do or who to believe. It was boring and stupid. It was reminiscent of a telemarketer who cannot diverge from the script. I grew up thinking that the transformation that Landmark provided was the answer to peace on earth, and having the world work. By the way many people like my presentation style and my accent, so why changing it, it does not prevent people understanding me or making friends. The chairs were in tight circles, which I felt were uncomfortable, so I moved the chairs out until I had enough room. That’s the point. Barry Terry, I missed the section of teaching on ego ego not being your amigo in leader training, because his unwarranted hubris was off the charts. Follow no one, but learn from everyone”. It has been all negative and horrible. … One thing I liked about the forum is that they do not use any Powerpoint presentation or slideshow to deliver the speech. I was working out with a new friend I met via social media. I think. My career was going great at this time. Just because speed limits are posted and enforced doesn’t mean that everyone is going to get a ticket. Non-disclosure agreements were nowhere to be seen, but a simple bold statement of trust would be all that was needed for these vulnerable people. I am so glad that there are people out there willing to exposure the fraudulent behaviours of these so called, non-judgement, enlightened teachers! I guess I “don’t know what I don’t know.” God, I’m so happy to be home. This guy has his own problems to solve and can not help you, your happiness in your own hands. Read as much as you can about LMF before going and trust your instincts. I took 8 Landmark courses. I had no real issues in my life when I did the courses and attended the Forum with a friend. No apologies for how I had been treated, just the generic closing of ranks and the ‘it’s not us it’s you’ syndrome. Else you need to pay 32,000 (7k extra). I went to an introductory evening once and noticed that the leader berated and insulted people in a very confrontational style. But seriously, wtf? If anyone is still with me, I hope I didn’t compromise my review by lacking in brevity and conciseness. Did you get a chance to check out the seminar in person Josh? I’m no spokesperson for Landmark, and I will simply say whatever you’re interested in creating as a result of doing the workshop is there if you’re committed to finding it. Fortunately for me I connected with head office a couple of times and was rewarded a refund (: Hi Growthguided, I was wondering if you could share any insights on what you said to them. I was interested after learning about and seeing dramatic depictions of “est” on one of my favorite TV shows, FX’s “The Americans” and also my sister’s experience with Landmark Forum (which I did not realize were connected at the time). And that was the end of that. I was involved in Landmark Education for 11 years and I was a staff member before I left the organization. Brain is fused. My sister is still interested – I’ll brave it and take her to the guest session in 2 days. I appreciate your thoughts and how you are replying to the comments. I hope your friend can surrender to her drinking problem and get some help with that Amy. She was not aware that he was a recovering crack addict, alcoholic with a very long record of dui’s, drug posession and domestic violence, She told me I was delusional and that he had told her that I would say anything to make him look bad. Hey growthguided, are you aware of landmark promoting any Ponzi referral product pruchase programs ?! I did the Forum last November. Today I chose to leave the Landmark Forum on the 3rd day during the second break. According to me its an amalgamation of philosophy, sociology, psychology, zen, Buddhism & behaviour studies on how to intrude someone. The Landmark Forum – Don’t Do It – Top Five Fails of Landmark Forum. Overall, I found Landmark to be a disturbing group of people, at times resorting to crass manipulation in a way the I found to border on rank depravity. As I said to one person, if they don’t like being accused of being a cult, maybe it would be a good idea if they didn’t act like one. Occasionally, the treatment of those who “shared” was mean-spirited, in the guise of helping.. Unfortunately in the past my rationality collapsed my possibilities and kept me from having what I wanted. Good luck. Have a great week! You know what B-Mc, I completely agree with you. They insisted on the refund and wished me well I respect that. Some people need "boot camp" to get into themselves. Supernatural It doesn’t mean the trainings don’t work. I am more than happy to recommend it to people when I can see that they could really get something from it, but I no longer let myself get caught up in having to put a bunch of names down just for the sake of ‘looking good’ or being a ‘good girl’ to please the Landmark leader at the time. I don’t regret attending, however, simply because I was able to (during the breaks) actually share with people actual healthy coping skills and info about what mindfulness is about. It’s not brainwashinf though! I’m not saying people can’t get a lot out of the Forum, but I find it’s technique lacking. She added, “If you insist on analyzing it, you will never do it. It’s one of their best tools of self deception as well as useful in conning others into trusting them again. Its the same as Church. But this wasn’t what we were to do–we were supposed to just cheer her on, although she was totally clueless about what to do. And I’d like to acknowledge you for being open to different points of view on the comments. I found it to be a unique approach that stands alone in the world. But there is power in speaking in front of others; a power in saying you will accomplish something out loud and be accountable for it now that you have witnesses. Even with my limited background information, I was excited the first morning for the experience and the time to reflect on myself, my challenges, my life, etc. I was excited to take part in the event and sat down in the large hall with a 100 other strangers. Just over a year ago, I heard about a three-day weekend program called Landmark Forum, an educational experience presented by a “Forum Leader” to large groups of people (50-200) who sought to improve their life situations by going through this experience. I was told they would not issue a refund either, even though I was gone by 2:00 pm the first day. The Landmark Forum’s approach is to deliver their course modules from their bible (same for all countries) by the leader who sits on high chair on the stage. The pain for sure is psychosomatic. I have 120 accountability partners. I declined and immediately started getting texts from both of them telling me how selfish I was, how cruel, what a bad mother, if I want to hold her back I am going to destroy her. If you got your life out of it, and you continue to love it, then I think that is great. This will run you for a grand total of $25 on Amazon, a $625 worth of savings, not to mention saving you from high levels of irritation. I know several people who seemed cool at first but who became insufferable jerks. I was way better mentally before Landmark. I made sure I contacted them right away after the last day to get the ball rolling. I did not have any “issues” to solve and took it just as one might read a self-improvement book praised by someone close to them. I did get something out of it, due to my own tact as an individual interested in growth but 3 days of being berated is ridiculous. I didn’t want to be that person – deep down I craved to be what they wanted me to be. Lastly, I have felt that the forum and the seminar series following it, has renewed my sense of faith and spirituality. (Edit after reading my post: sorry for the length, I tried my best to clean it up!!) It was discouraged by the forum speakers but no one was chastised for it. I had to practically drag out any personal information from this man about past relationships, goals in life or even what actually happened in his life on any given day. It scares me when I think about how I believed them, and was close this this group. Constitution of Special Bench at NCLT Mumbai order dated 03.4.2021 (,Size: 455.92 KB , Language-English); Constitution of Special Principal Bench at NCLT New Delhi order dated 1.4.2021 (,Size: 835.77 KB , Language-English); Constitution of Special Bench at NCLT Mumbai order dated 31.3.2021 (,Size: 854.55 KB , Language-English); Constitution of Special Bench at NCLT … amzn_assoc_ad_mode = "manual"; I have found their works in psychology, sociology, physics, and philosophy. Taking responsibility for the things you have done wrong in life and now apologizing for your part is an invaluable practice that I’m fairly sure most of us were taught in pre-school. Top 5 Fails of Landmark Forum ... ‘be right’ etc and we can use concepts to defend against poor behaviour being exposed – though I would say most would actually recognize at some level what they are doing – just not be prepared to acknowledge it. While I don’t subscribe to this belief, Clearly Landmark is not claiming to be God, are they? It is healthy and happy! These people flock to Landmark and find great meaning realizing they’ve been living a fraud for most of their lives. amzn_assoc_region = "US"; The question is what is the goal for an individual person, or Landmark, and are they qualified in providing what they claim. I remember our teacher/leader (who was a condescending prick) was TERRIBLY disappointed that we didn’t invite more people to the graduation ceremony. The Landmark Forum is a program that is suitable for anyone. I say not without details. I also disliked the idea of standing up in front of a bunch of people and saying you “got it.” This is just like the old gospel shows that toured the country, where everyone got religion and were transformed. I didn't knew about SELP course . The glaring irony of Landmark and other LGATs is that they preach accountability, while taking responsibility for nothing. Perhaps I had already “got it” and was already “transformed.” As you said, the forum lessons are available elsewhere. And my instructor didn’t belittle or humiliate anyone, nor did he pressure anyone into speaking. First time poster, the verbal diarrhea is hard to rein in. LIVE, LOVE & LAUGH. Got some value? In effect, I tested the waters to see how Landmark would respond to my exercising my free choice and not doing what THEY wanted me to do. Sadly, we humans tend to remember traumatic or unpleasant experiences stuff way more vividly than other things. One day a woman called asking when I was going to have the money and I had to tell her what happened. Absolutely nothing groundbreaking . And fuck them for wasting about 20 hours of my time on marketing…watching the same fucking videos again and again..and the constant push for us to invite our friends and loved ones or else we won’t be transformed…. I’m sorry for your terrible experience. As we were in the middle of our cooldown, they both brought up Landmark. It was the best 2 decisions I have made in some time. The paperwork and information expected from the participant is intrusive and overwhelming. Wishing you best of luck. Thank you for taking the time to write a response and share your experience. I Suggest contacting head office right away and be direct with what you want. However, I have to say that while I do not at all agree with the pressure to get others involved – which I have voiced numerous times to leaders, once I got past my skepticism (and my Psych ego ) I have been very impressed with everything I have learned through their programmes/courses – and I have done MANY. Thank you! its all just point of views…growthguided point of view, sherry point of view and my point of view. Barry Terry said in my forum many times “the people that think i’m yelling at you think they’re being yelled at” and such is the same in life. I think you bring up a valid point that should be up for some discussion Eric. Yes you are quite right here Jenn. Often how I feel has little or nothing to do with how hard I am trying or something that has recently happened. Jerry (who did our seminar) didn’t always hold our hand, and sometimes he had some tough love to dish out, but you know what…it worked! At times she would say things so far out there ,and then would take another hour before letting us know what it . Are they recommendations or are they requirements?” The Forum Leader responded, “FOR YOU, they’re REQUIREMENTS”. And I must say, I shared a bit, but much preferred talking with the people there. amzn_assoc_search_bar = "true"; I grew up hearing defensive conversation when others would criticize Landmark. But despite all that, for some reason on this last day, I felt myself become so heavy with sadness and despair. It seems like a 50-50 gamble. The light switch finally clicked on in my brain. I say yes, but then ask for exact details. A quick look on the internet revealed even more dramatic claims. You are most definitely not alone Flor (: Thank you for the kind words! He was into some cult, it seemed, and I said thank you but no. I too want my money back. His work has had a profound impact on the world of business and integrity, leadership, and people discovering their self expression in life. The Landmark Forum takes place over three consecutive days plus an evening session (generally Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and Tuesday evening.) I started questioning myself during Landmark. Another hypocrisy, telling me to passively wait for “it” to come to me when they had been saying there is only right now…. That’s the reality of it, When I share it with others, its because I just want for them what I got. She had the courage to stand up to it. Junk Science 7. Last Friday I had the opportunity to check out the Landmark Forum. I think there probably was “distinctions” that I would have gotten if I wasn’t sitting in the rock hard chair daydreaming about whipping the instructors ass. He had supposedly been a senior trainer for a couple decades and was self-proclaimed as “excellent” and “one of the best” in his field. The whole Landmark sentence and word construction is very hard to comprehend and this confusion has increased in each course. Paul asked why I have problems getting friends. Even if 140 people liked the coach, they all could be wrong and I am right. I didn’t say a peep until the last day by choice. I dont know that I could handle that. the content is passed off as ultimate truth but it’s just one group of people’s spin on things. It was really sad. I went to the Forum in the 1990’s, and I am wondering if they still have people promising to abide by “requirements” and promising to abide by “recommendations”. Just because it wasn’t for me, doesn’t mean it can’t be for her or anyone else. Also met a lot of very kind people. In that instance, I became suspicious. 1) the price of basic weekend course was over £300 2) the course was of american origin 3) the course was about nothing I do not want to offend any Americans,but as a European I thought “God bless America…”, I really wanted to leave straight away,but I decided to stay on. Keep in mind, we are talking about people who had been raped, recently gone bankrupt, and others who were physically/emotionally abused with life shattering trauma. Landmark Education incurs legal defeat in New Jersey Federal Court (2005) by Rick Ross. ETs & UFOs 5. I actually DID take some value from the course as previously mentioned, I really did. If wrong turns, or caused harm, make an amends and move forward with your life. I decided to take action and ask for support from the lead course supervisor. Not from anything the instructors taught. 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