Het Landmark Forum is geworteld in een model voor transformatief leren – een manier van leren waarmee mensen zich bewust worden van de basale structuren waarbinnen ze weten, denken en handelen. The thing about how each lie/story is a shape and how energy consuming it is to change that shape if it gets called out. how much upselling do they do? Observing how this had affected him as really put a negative view of Landmark. The Landmark Forum is designed to bring about positive, permanent shifts in the quality of your life—in just three days. I hadn't thought about that moment in ~20 years, but having rediscovered that memory, I can clearly see how I spent most of my childhood / early adulthood operating on those conclusions I'd made as a little kid. This is subjective. I wouldn't say I've become a "Landmark Zombie," preaching their techniques to everyone, but for anyone who's curious about how they became the person they are, it's a pretty interesting experience. Hey, another Forumer here. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Landmark Worldwide (known as Landmark Education before 2013), or simply Landmark, is a company, headquartered in San Francisco, which offers personal-development programs. In a room of 40 people, 7 which are staff, it was hard to not raise my hand and promise this. I hate Landmark. This is my personal, unbiased Landmark Forum review. The Landmark Forum is about “cleaning” up your past and disconnecting you from stories and traumas that may be affecting your present life and coloring your life. In fact, I was rolling my eyes during the first day, since they took quite a bit of time to pitch their post-Forum seminars, but it turns out that they include those events in the initial Forum fee. Wow. or was that just my experience? The Landmark Forum offers a practical methodology for producing breakthroughs—achievements that are extraordinary, outside of what’s predictable. It was horrific to watch. It most certainly IS a cult!!! Which meant circles were drawn on the whiteboard and I had to detail the event that happened to me. You're in a cult, plain and simple. I’m quite healed when it comes to HIM. they do NOT let you leave!!! If approved, the recommendation would be the first step in designating the Fulton Market building, which dates back to 1891, a city landmark. As I mentioned above, I went in to the Forum really resentful that I was burning my whole weekend sitting in a touchy-feely self help seminar. I recently went to The Landmark Forum course after doing the Landmark Forum introduction. I’m sorry to hear that! The film entitled Voyage Au Pays Des Nouveaux Gourous (Voyage to the Land of the New Gurus) was produced by the French news program Pièces à Conviction. Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. Since then I've also attended Tony Robbins thing over a four day course (also in London) when I was about 23. I recently went to course after doing the Landmark Forum introduction. Needless to say he comes out because we invite him on occasion, but otherwise he is no longer part of our group because just isn't the same. The Landmark Forum is designed to bring about positive, permanent shifts in the quality of your life—in just three days. It cosigns on abuse, violence, manipulation and lying. It was creepy to say the least - she really seemed a bit brainwashed by the whole experienced. It seemed like Landmark was planting artificial problems that he needed to solve to become enlightened. Landmark does a fair bit of upselling (esp. Bezoek Landmark. Glad you did it? However, was Becky taking life by the balls by eating more than her calorie output, remaining single and loving her MLM job - then you go Becky. I took notes from the moment our Forum Leader began speaking. Given how much profit there must be in this company, they really ought to upgrade their chairs! anybody else have to describe being molested as a child in front of 300 strangers while sleep deprived, cold and hungry- told they enjoyed part of it, made to it admit it- then have to commit to going and calling their abusers on break and apologize for being disgusting to them all these years after them repeatedly molesting me as a child is completely normal? I do believe that there's a real value in the experience (and I'm not a person who seeks out "self help" stuff), but the whole "recruit your friends and family" model is a big part of what makes Landmark come off like a cult. In fact, I was rolling my eyes during the first day, since they took quite a bit of time to pitch their post-Forum seminars, but it turns out that they include those events in the initial Forum fee. I definitely knew prior to participating in both that I wanted to document and share my experience, however, didn't know where to post (r/AntiMLM or r/LandmarkCritique crossed my mind). The Landmark Forum: 42 Hours, $500, 65 Breakdowns My lost weekend with the trademark happy, bathroom-break hating, slightly spooky inheritors of est. I thought it was bizarre as well but she seemed very very happy with the experience. However, you have to use their language otherwise they use your language against you. I'm sorry to hear that you got scammed by them. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. After a four more hours I couldn't stand it anymore. I've seen this reference a few times - what's the source? It's interesting - I've been in sales for ~12 years, so I'm pretty sensitive to being "sold at." It also includes a panel discussion with the host and interviews with a variety of people regarding whether or not Landmark is a cult. She even ended up volunteering to teach some of the courses, tried vehemently to recruit as many people as she knows, and now this. The pyramid scheme of it all being another story). Our Forum Leader repeated this over and over. So, I was genuinely shocked on the second day when I remembered a very specific incident from when I was ~6 years old, an incident during which I "realized" (with the logic of a child) that everything that was going wrong in my family was my fault, and my responsibility to fix / resolve. One staff member interrupted my break by starting a conversation about calling my father. I was deeply skeptical of the entire thing going in, and only participated due to heavy pressure from my mom (she's a Landmark devotee). I was so disappointed when they said “to start creating the possibilities in your life you need to take the advanced course”. 1. This was 20 years ago when I was naive & brand new to the joy of work, I'm certain this practice is illegal. Even though I got some value from it (see above), by the end of each day my ass was sore and my legs were numb. Did you get allot of value out of it? And those shoes. Developers turning the building into a music hall will keep the factory’s iconic sign, which shows a girl in a yellow rain jacket holding an umbrella. Cryptozoology 4. What is the Landmark Forum and is it a Cult? i can't even read this w/o my ptsd raging- Landmark Education tore apart my family. I worked for a boss who was into Forum. I attended the Landmark Forum after a friend recommended it and said it changed their life. Morton Salt Factory Takes Another Step Toward Landmark Status. 2004 a documentary film about the activities of Landmark Education also known as the Landmark Forum or The Forum was broadcast on French television. It sounds like something I might be interested in. I do remember one thing they teach you about lies that has stuck with me through out the years. ", The documentary is critical of the Landmark program and includes hidden camera footage from inside a Landmark Forum event in France as well as within the Landmark offices in France. My personal view was more that I formed my opinions and personality gradually, over time. Their 'transparency' is another step to luring you in. I was told to call him and forgive him. I'm proud of you. Junk Science 7. It’s the physical event that irks me to no end. New Age 9. The Landmark Forum is the first course in a series Landmark Worldwide calls the "Curriculum for Living". Yes, I casually mentioned an incident whilst answering about calling my father. The Landmark Forum is the streamlined, slightly gentler offspring of that pinnacle of the ’70s encounter movement, est. While the Forum is about freeing you from your past, the Advanced Course has you design a new future. My mom has been telling me about her various "breakthroughs" for a few years now. To begin, I need to be very clear. Whilst 'convincing' everyone they weren't a cult, a common tactic is asking questions that elicit a 'yes' which is done over and over. Paranormal 10. Fair enough! My boss who holds places in other areas of my life encouraged, pressured and advised me to. Sorry to be a downer, but these jerks brainwashed mom. Obviously, this point makes me seem like a horrible person. The Landmark Forum I went to a friend's 'graduation ceremony' from the Landmark Forum this week. The entire course preaches about living your authentic life, being authentic and having integrity. In My Landmark Forum Reviews, A Few Dissatisfied Clients Reveal Program Has Similarities To Cult Or Scientology. Everything they do is about pressuring you to spend more money, do more courses, do more, more and more. You should really use this as forum to warn others about these creepy mofos. "call your dad" ? Overall, I would recommend the Landmark Forum. Landmark seems to invent relationship problems that never existed or blow up everyday friction with friends and relatives to something that needs to be addressed. The Landmark Forum just happens to be one of the best courses in a transformational curriculum I've ever taken. I've always avoided it because of the money for insight theme, but lots of good friends swear by it. Science & Philosophy 11. I ultimately found it an interesting experience, and will happily answer any (okay, most) questions about the Forum and my personal experience. ETs & UFOs 5. In the "Curriculum for Living," you learn distinctions to create and produce the results you want in all areas of your life. I regret wearing this belt. I was crying because you’ve begun an episode, my adrenaline is coursing through my body and I couldn’t leave. I agree. However, after I got past the first day, I found that I was really engaged - some of their self-analysis tips are really good. It’s the actions that took place. The Landmark Forum - this will tell you what it is all about. It claims to be about self-improvement but it's been accused of exploiting the gullible, even of being a cult. She was giving ME life advice. 1 talking about this. 131 votes, 79 comments. I can't tolerate even talking to my abuser (my bio mother's husband- he does not get the title of step parent in my eyes, and in quick to correct anyone that gives him that honorific) I can't imagine the trauma that experience caused you! San Francisco-based Landmark Education known for its Landmark Forum motivational workshops describes itself as "a global educational enterprise offering The Landmark Forum and graduate courses " claiming that "[m]ore than 160 000 people participate in Landmark's courses each year. If I couldn’t find him it meant I didn’t want to. I had a big meeting at work monday, I was exhausted and honestly it really did feel culty- so I tried to not go back sunday morning. No Income Potential To Keep Non-Profit Status. The Landmark Forum shares their course syllabus, times and content on their own website. You have a B.S. at their "Tuesday Night Introductions"), but less than I was expecting. Did they mention they've been thrown out of France for being a cult? I think if they just hired a good marketing firm and dropped / downplayed the word-of-mouth scheme, their image would improve a lot. I have a an ex-close friend who participated and got brainwashed. She wanted emotions to flow. I don’t mind speaking on the topic, in fact I can laugh about it but yes, the experience was still very traumatic and I can easily be triggered by few things surrounding the event. after the above mentioned traumatic Forum & i could not possibly complete the weekly mtgs afterwards because I WORK-- it took my husband several years of working me down to get me into the Advanced Course, of which I opt'd out of on sunday morning- They said I could!!! My grandmother attended Landmark because my father convinced her and her experience was that the stuff she heard there was just insights you get about life when you've lived it long enough. Critical Thinking 3. Well a month or so after my friends were all about it and then 2 months not so much, 3 months well they barely spoke about it, and then 6 months we all laughed out how funny the whole thing was. Landmark Education LLC has tried repeatedly to wipe it from from the Internet so it is good to see it has reappeared. My honest impression of it all was that the things you learn at Landmark and Tony Robbins is just a cheat sheet on how life works and you'll probably get ahead once or twice just by knowing how upcoming situations will play out. Being told for three days that I'm living on the sidelines, not in the "arena" by people who IN MY EYES are living in the sidelines frustrated me. Is there anything else aside from the recognition of past breakthroughs that you are taking away from it? Landmark offers a whole curriculum of courses, on everything from communication to integrity to money to leadership. So what is the Landmark Forum? According to Landmark the "broadcasting of this program had disastrous consequences and resulted in considerable damage to Landmark Education's subsidiary operating the France.". So, yes, there's quite a bit of upselling, particularly as the Forum weekend draws to a close, but they're very "up front" about it, and didn't seem to use any sneaky tactics or undue pressure. I think I did my seminar when I was about 13-4 y.o in London. They 'ask' you to start putting their taught methods into action and if you return early from a break, staff will begin conversations about anything Forum related mainly to ask about the actions you took in your break (so your break is not a break), Not being able to sleep well is something they touched on (it's an excuse), They give you assignments every night that can take a lot of time especially after a full day. I have the sudden to run them over with my wheelchair. It was intense! Voyage Au Pays Des Nouveaux Gourous (Archive.org) [01:05:01] [Eng sub]. metre, something deep in your core that tells you when something is wrong. Be wary and very discerning. He'd done their entry level course, which runs from 9am to 10pm Friday, Saturday and Sunday, and then the participants come back on Tuesday evening and bring guests to watch them graduate. They will tell you about the importance of language, again explaining psychological theories without telling you their name, the study behind it, etc. You are well on your way to joining Scientology...... A friend of mine did this, who I'd normally consider to be a stable, logical person, and then proceeded to call all her closest friends and do everything in her power to try and get us to do it as well. HUNDREDS of phone calls, emails, social media hits and then they even came to my apartment- ON AN EXTENDED BREAK!!!! Part of the reason why he's no longer close is because the complete transformation of his circle of friends from non-Landmark to exclusively Landmark friends. My ex remains a high up leader. Because they are loosely based on REAL theories, there is truth to some of their teachings, but if you're reading this, you're on the internet, everything you can learn there, you can learn for free elsewhere (look up personality theories on Khan Academy). Landmark heeft Het Landmark Forum en programma's en bijeenkomsten voor gevorderden over relaties, communicatie, productiviteit, leiderschap, meer. OR was Becky simply lacking the courage to improve her life in many areas and clung onto the first community that accepted her? Second, to explain that Landmark Forum teaches a lie, and a substantial one: that there is no right or wrong, no good or evil, and no truth. They want YOU to DISCOVER the answers for yourself but only if you use their language, agree with them and do everything they tell you. Should you be interested in participating, the details and registration links are below. A couple months later I took the Advanced Course, the followup to the Forum. His persona became cult-like, doing things outside the boundaries of normal people interaction. That's horrible! Wow - soooo much to take it. I attended the Landmark Forum at their NYC headquarters on Friday, Nov 4-6, 2016. If your authentic self doesn't align with THEIR wants, values and goals then you're not living your authentic life. Supernatural Would you say that a lot of the stuff they teach you at Landmark is just regular, plain common sense of how life is lived by people with a little bit of insight? Did they bother mentioning its a bunch of stolen scientology? She was about 70 when she went there. They let us go home, so they're not a cult apparently. Calling people he hadn't talked to in 7 years to convince them to fly from Spain to the US for the Tuesday night "graduation". Others say it transforms their lives. Anyone who takes a moment to think for themselves will know that this is true, but the tactics used by LF sow confusion in the minds of those in conflict. 7.1k members in the CustomLoR community. I guess that has to do with my father being the one doing all the booking for me and my sister. I am triggered (actually triggered) by shouting in certain circumstances. The whole Forum process is built around having "breakthroughs" - moments when you have a realization of an exact moment in time when you changed your view of yourself. After Being Spared From The Wrecking Ball, Victorian Building Formerly Home To La Luce Could Get Landmark Status. They advised quickly that we would get MORE from the experience by not taking notes, I disregarded this message. Het Landmark Forum maakt gebruik van een praktische methodologie voor het bereiken van doorbraken – resultaten die buitengewoon zijn, die verder gaan dan het voorspelbare. TLDR : Landmark fucking sucks, they fucked my friend up....The mind while it may be all powerful, can be extremely fragile as well. I don’t see how it’s anything BUT abuse. Also, not been contacted by (sect)people after this. Heehee poor Becky. Oh and they make you sign a waver that they are not held responsible for ensuing psychoses. A good friend of mine who had to admit a very similar story at the Forum is now facing PTSD and possible schizophrenia, and still trying to cope with it years later. The things you learn at these events is stuff you probably can figure out on your own if you sit down and analyse human behavior. I was being told life advice by someone who is overweight, single, volunteers for a cult and only job is working for the MLM scam Scentsy. Was that in your seminar? Landmark forum of landmark education of landmark worldwide kritisch belicht door exitcounselor Sjoukje Drenth Bruintjes. Press J to jump to the feed. He mad a few of us attend, I went to the first meeting, they said if you stayed past this point your funds could not be returned, which I thought was crazy. He had these ideas that only through landmark, he was able to confront and solve these problems. I saw them bully a woman who was raped by her father into calling him to apologize for making him want to rape her as a child while she bawled her eyes out. A friend of mine was part of this he started his senior year of HS, and continued through all of college. I don’t forgive him. The whole idea of specific moments that determined the rest of my life seemed way too "Hollywood" for my taste. Ugh, NXIVM basically stole Landmark’s playbook and made it their own. The Landmark Forum is grounded in a model of transformative learning—a way of learning that gives people an awareness of the basic structures in which they know, think, and act. Again, I'm so incredibly sorry you experienced that. She practically begged me to come to her Landmark "graduation", telling me it was the most important thing I could ever do for her. As the title states, I just finished doing "The Landmark Forum." Do you feel the insights you have gained will add any real value to your life (at least what you would consider to be worth $500)? Landmark does a fair bit of upselling (esp. This is exactly what my stepdaughter did. Logic & Perception 8. Alternatives to Medicine 2. Halfway through the day, they asked everyone in the room to promise two things, one being "I will promise not to take notes." It's a conversation which is about engagement. I wasn’t crying because I was allowing my fear to surface about living life. Me in the Landmark NYC HQ. In response to people’s major interest, we have added two more programs starting on 28-April. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. And Landmark hijacked the less weirder parts of Scientology. Yeah, that was the aspect that really turned me off. I definitely knew prior to participating in both that … They encourage you to reach out to everyone in your life that you're not 'complete' with. We are graduates of the Landmark Forum, from all over the world, sharing about our lives and the distinctions of the Landmark Forum. But you should know some important things. I guess you could say that I took a more evolutionary view of personality development. I wanted to leave, but friends of mine who were already washed by their methods convinced me to stay. at their "Tuesday Night Introductions"), but less than I was expecting. My buzzer kept ringing and ringing! If you disagree, you're encouraged to, but it means you have to come to the front and argue your point. I did not want to do the course or the introduction and did not pay for the course. Frauds, Hoaxes, Conspiracies 6. I Am A, where the mundane becomes fascinating and the outrageous suddenly seems normal. During the times he was trying to get me to go I got these impressions. So many similarities. He came back and well the only thing that keeps his mind from racing uncontrollably is meds now. You know, it's kind of funny. I would like you to confirm/deny these: He was convinced that there's no other way to find enlightenment or self-actualization without Landmark. As said before, most questions will make everyone say "yes". So, yes, I did get something out of the experience, and I'm glad I did it. Apparently this meant I’m not complete with my rapist. The entire weekend uses basic psychological concepts, but they've taken these concepts, altered them and then applied their own language. Then she mentioned how I’m crying later on. I'm sure they didn't mention their numerous legal problems or the doco they really hate about themselves. This is terrifying shit- and no, that isn't just what i'm making it mean. 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